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CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you (english)
by Marcio 10:32pm Wed Sep 12 '01 (Modified on 3:39pm Thu Sep 13 '01)


I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.

There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN.

All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors,
and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of
you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this company. In
particular, one set of images called my attencion: the Palestinians
celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making
funny faces for the camera.

Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of
Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply
unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images
which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an

A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, with
the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major
TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify
as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to
this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my
hands' on a copy of this tape.

But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your people
is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high
possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against Palestinians.
It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those.

Finally, I'd like to say that we all regret and condemn all that has
happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point here. I really don't
want to be misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had
shown no respect for other countries in the last decades. In the 60s and
70s they had halped lots of military coups throughout the world
(including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush Father, the
Washington Consensus have been demolishing the bases of our economies,
making us more and more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied with
this situation).

Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto Protocol, Star
Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain forest for pieces of external
debt, tha abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations
between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those
mistakes in US external politics made your country more hatred than
before, and, of course, more vulnerable.

Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took place in your
country; but it seems to me that, if your leaders had come along another
path of thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are

Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best of
all of us

Márcio A. V. Carvalho
State University of Campinas - Brazil

add your own comments

This is whatever you want (english)
by chehotep 10:48pm Wed Sep 12 '01

Dude dont bullshit yourself to death. Are you that stupid? I guess you live in a world were you are deprived of making money or a difference in your society. Dont be so stupid because who knows, you could be hit next picking your nose in a public place just minding your own business. They,re excuse will be that your american.

I want to know more about this (english)
by Diane 10:56pm Wed Sep 12 '01

This video footage IS STIRRING UP HATRED - I live in relatively peaceful northern California and young people, even the teenage kids,are commenting on how horrible the Palestinians are to dance at the destruction. If this is true then the news should leak out to as many places as you can find. Propaganda needs to be exposed for what it is before our damned "leadership" decides to use bombs again,as they do ad nauseum. Please confirm this fact and send out something that we can use as anti-propaganda. It is so hard to get the truth here. Thank you for alerting us.


Amerika (english)
by . 11:02pm Wed Sep 12 '01

We don't need such narrow-minded, white supremacist-proud-to-be-american comments.
Listen to this fucking cop-military propaganda and enjoy.

Can we see these? (english)
by Mark Bialkowski 11:14pm Wed Sep 12 '01

Marcio: can you see about possibly having these videos from '91 digitized and put online somewhere? I'm sure those of us here would love a good look at them. If it turns out that, yes, CNN is using old footage for propaganda purposes... then a scary new dimension would enter into what is already a horrible, unnecessary mess.


a rat in the maze (english)
by squid 11:14pm Wed Sep 12 '01

Funny that you should tell the author of this article that they could be hit while "minding your own business"; funny because of what it reveals about your/our culture. "Minding your own business" is a phrase generally meaning "innocent" or "blameless". All the people in the World Trade Center were certainly minding their own businesses. But is business so innocent when it partners with regimes to destroy life and the hope of future life - the lives of humans and the life of the environment? Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children die every year as the result of US sanctions - and I hardly think that those children supported Saddam Hussein in any meaningful way before their short lives were ended by malnourishment, starvation, and disease.
The blood is on many hands, mine not excepted. I live a lifestyle highly dependent on fossil fuels and the mass-produced objects made by slave labor from resources extracted over the bodies of slain species and tribes. I am a rat in a maze, looking for a way out for once and for all, but having in the meantime to eat the cheese or die.

BBC shows same video (english)
by Jason Untulis 11:52pm Wed Sep 12 '01

I'm watching BBC World on my cable system in the US and just saw the same celebration video that has been broadcast on CNN and other US network sources. Since the video has been the same, it's entirely possible that the original source for this is CNN and others are (implicitly) complicit in the alleged subterfuge.

This either validates the video as being authentic to recent events or invalidates some of the neutrality that has been assigning to the BBC elsewhere in related indymedia articles compared to corporate US media interests.

Don't get me wrong, thoughts of the American film _Wag the Dog_ have constantly run through my head to the way that the US media can and are manipulating the public and are being manipulated by the US government. But this one doesn't seem right to me.

1 Battle Won (english)
by Corey 12:37am Thu Sep 13 '01

Even if this turns out to be true footage, can u blame the Palestinians. A bush himself said this is an act of war. Then as thew war has been going on for so long now is this one victory for the Palestinians. It is quite likely that they r not happy with the killing but could they be happy that t was the imperial power that got attacked. That the war as finally gone to the country which has killed so many of them. If im correct in saying did the American ppl give their soldiers a hero welcome back when they came back from the gulf. Is it not the same

Either way they're lying - thats thier job (english)
by triple anon 1:27am Thu Sep 13 '01

> If it turns out that, yes, CNN is using old footage for propaganda purposes... then a scary new dimension would enter into what is already a horrible, unnecessary mess.

New ?

I've seen this before, more times than I can keep track of, the mass media using the most damning footage they have in thier archive then carefully editing it to suit thier needs. Pig shows (like COPS) use mostly old footage in exactly this way as "fill" to keep the show moving (tales from the cutting room floor) and victimize people JUST for the entertainment value... Notice how they almost always "get thier man" ?, footage of people getting away is edited out, they want us to think that we will always lose when confronting them - statistics say otherwise !

So much in fact that new policies are in effect in many areas now to NOT chase people fleeing because often the COPS end up crashing (exposing them to lawsuits - thier only *real* concern) and people end up dead over (what would of been) a speeding ticket...

> That the war as finally gone to the country which has killed so many of them. If im correct in saying did the American ppl give their soldiers a hero welcome back when they came back from the gulf. Is it not the same

Exactly ! It's just a matter of perspective - millions of poor children and victimized people being killed - hero's treatment...

A few kids happy for a slight break in thier genoside - horrible !

CNN - BBC are nothing more than a part of the propaganda machine, they twist reality as they go to mold our attitudes. BBC is especially sneaky about it - adding a slight element of truth to make it seem believable, so more people will swallow it, and it pisses me off to see people *dumb enough* to fall for it and *post thier propaganda on here*.

BBC has been officially reconized for years as a propaganda arm of the government - what make them so pure now all of a sudden ?

Simply Not Substatial True (english)
by Sage 1:49am Thu Sep 13 '01

I can't state definitively that CNN hasn't shown old footage, but if they did it has been used in an illustrative manner because the PLO won't allow current footage out of the occupied territories.

The AP has confirmed reports that PLO security officers threatened the life of reporters who filmed the current celebrations over the WTC bombing. The AP has, so far, has not released the footage.

Yasser has stirred hatred as much as the U.S. and now feels the heat. WTC was clearly a huge military success but mid-east leaders know the repercussion will be the most significant, heavy-handed, long-lasting U.S. involvement in the mid-east ever.

CNN Fake scenes (english)
by Jenny 2:18am Thu Sep 13 '01

I am a journalist in a greek radio station and I was very interested in the article about the fake scenes of CNN showing Palestinias in Israel celebrating after the terror attack in New York.

I want to give to this new some extra publicity, but I want to have some extra clues.

If someone of you knows something about this story or has some evidence that the scenes were from the archives of CNN, please contact with me by e-mail.

Attribution and referencing (english)
by Mark Bialkowski 2:30am Thu Sep 13 '01


If 1991 videos were intended to be used in an "illustrative" manner, then the time the videos were recorded, and the fact that they were file images, should have been clearly stated on screen, by the anchor, or both. That's simple journalistic ethics; you cite your sources. To run old video as current events, with no mention of such use, is dishonest, and if/when it is found out, only makes things worse.

The images of the WTC and Pentagon, and the reality of what occurred in those places, is enough to anger millions. CNN doesn't need to make it worse by running false footage. Again, I'd like a look at the videos Marcio's prof has, to see for myself.


More excuses and support for terrorism (english)
by Johnny America 3:34am Thu Sep 13 '01

Marcio: So what? You whine about a video and make a claim which may or may not be true. How about the confirmation and apologies from the Palestinian foreign Ministers regarding these celebrations? There are sick, brainwashed people who no nothing of the US who hate us because the are weak followers. Let them live here for a while without the stifling effect of religious fanatacism and they would NEVER want to leave.

Unamerican Citizens: If you do not like it here...go to Brazil. We are simply targets because we are the leader. Leaders ALWAYS have people trying to take them down...it is that way throughout human history. You fail to see that the US is still the most free, most giving and compassionate country on the Globe. Stop whining and do something positive for your country and people!

Come On (english)
by Open Eyed 12:59pm Thu Sep 13 '01

Come on - fake footage. Let's get real here. Even the palestains admit there were rallies and are trying to supress further footage. They are a tyrannical entity with no freedom and a bunch of hooligans. Even Ap had to protest as shown below.

AP Protests Palestinian Threats To Freelance Cameraman

JERUSALEM (AP)--The Associated Press on Wednesday protested to the Palestinian Authority about threats against a freelance cameraman who filmed
Palestinians celebrating terror attacks in the United States.
The videographer, on assignment for Associated Press Television News, was summoned to a Palestinian Authority security office and told that the
material must not be aired. Calls in the name of the Tanzim militia, an armed group associated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah group, warned him he would
be held responsible and made what he interpreted as threats on his life.
Several Palestinian Authority officials spoke to AP in Jerusalem urging that
the material not be broadcast. Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet
secretary, said the Palestinian Authority "cannot guarantee the life" of the
cameraman if the footage was broadcast.
The cameraman then requested that the material not be aired. In light of the
danger, APTN has not released the footage of the rally in Nablus.
AP news stories reported worldwide on the demonstration in Nablus and AP
distributed still pictures and video of similar rallies in east Jerusalem,
Lebanon and elsewhere. An AP still photographer did not take pictures of the
Nablus rally after being warned at the scene not to do so.
The protest by AP Chief of Bureau Dan Perry said, "I ask the assurances of
the Palestinian Authority that you will protect our journalists from threats
and attempts at intimidation and that no harm would come to our freelance
cameraman from distribution of the film."

Think About It... (english)
by Clark Crawford 3:39pm Thu Sep 13 '01

America is far from perfect, but why is it that everyone os always so quick to jump on the "evil America" bandwagon and point out all the things we have done wrong in the world but no one ever mentions all the good things we do? THink about it. Everytime there is a major disaster in the world like an earthquake or what have you we are the first to send money, supplies and people. Yet when is the last time you heard about some other country coming to our assistance? You likely haven't becasue I have been an AMerican for 27 years and to my knowledge it's never happened. I see footage (not from 1991) of Egyptians dancing in the streets, celebrating our misfortune and I've got to tell you, it doesn't make me feel too good knowing that close to 75 million dollars in American tax payer dollars go to Egypt each year in the form of aid. Sure it's easy to pick on the big guy, but if America took an isolationst view of foreign policy and quit helping people out, there would be a lot of people reevaluating their opinion of America. My guess is, if the handouts quit, a lot of you would realize that we do contribute an awful lot. If it weren't for "Big Bully America" the whole of Western Europe would be speaking German. Think about it.